Q&A Friday 25 June 2010
By VoV | Q&A Friday | Friday 25th June 2010Q&A Friday is published every Friday while there is demand. Email your questions to vern@vov.co.nz. We won’t publish your name.
How Did It Happen?
Question: Hey Vern, Firstly I’d like to say that without people like you, these white collared thieves would just simply get away with this. Good on you for carrying the torch for us. I dread getting mail about all this mess because it just brings back the pain. Our money is all gone, the guys that took it are holidaying in Hawaii or wherever, the guys that advised us to give the other guys our money have mostly changed jobs or towns and are untouchable. Am I alone in this feeling?
What I’d really like to know is how did all this happen and how did they get away with it? I’ve been told that Northplan, who had signed papers saying they could invest our money as they saw fit, sold that right or portfolio to MFS, who in turn used our money without our knowledge to replace their money in their failing investment houses, and then wound everything up! So they extracted their money, replaced it with ours without our knowledge and then those businesses slowly but surely went belly up, and there’s nothing we can do about it? Have I been ill advised?
Vern says: Wow, that’s a big question, and a damn good one too! I suspect James Usmar would like to answer this question but as a professional investment advisor might be constrained in what he is professionally able to say. Sometimes it’s easier for someone outside the industry to be more open about these things, so rather than put James in a difficult position I will attempt to answer your question as best I can.
Let’s talk about a hypothetical finance company. Its borrowers are property developers who take out a first mortgage on their high-risk, speculative property development with a bank. But the developer doesn’t want to tip any money in himself so he gets a second mortgage, and sometimes a third mortgage, from a finance company.
The finance company borrows money from mum & dad investors who are lured in by the advertising which promotes the finance company as rock solid with a history dating back to the Renaissance, well-known “names” as directors (often senior Government officials or ex-politicians), conservatively run and generally as safe as houses. (Yeah, right we say with hindsight.)
The finance company pays you 8% interest, pays 2% commission to the financial planning company (over twice the going rate compared to a “safe” finance company), and another 2% as a “marketing subsidy” to the financial planning company as a [legal] bribe to encourage it to tip all its mum & dad investors’ money into the shaky finance company. That’s 12% in total they have to pay to get your money, and all this happens behind closed doors without you knowing anything about it.
Developers are charged say 15% to 20% interest, but because they don’t have any money the finance company says, “That’s okay, we’ll just add the interest to the loan balance and you can pay it when you sell your property development.”
Here’s the interesting bit. Each year the finance company calculates the interest that has been added onto the loan (money it has not received yet) and lists it as profit.
It then announces its huge [paper] profit to the world and projects an air of success, which causes more money to flow in from investors.
And because it’s made so much profit it is able to declare a generous dividend and pay its owners $85 million.
But it’s just a paper profit remember, so where does the $85 million come from? There’s only one place it can come from… the money flowing in from mum & dad investors via financial planning companies. It’s like a legal Ponzi scheme. Legal in this country anyway.
When the economy hits recessionary times, as it always does, and things turn to custard, as they inevitably do, we enter what property expert Kieran Trass calls the banks’ cycle of losses.
If it’s a cycle of losses for banks, what is it for finance companies? This time around it was total devastation. Finance companies went under, property developers went broke, and us investors lost our money. But the finance company directors who saw it coming managed to legally extract their money by declaring huge dividends on the paper profits.
This is nothing more than legalised theft. Robin Hood seems to have switched sides folks… he’s robbing from the poor to pay the rich.
This is the battle that Suzanne Edmonds fights today. She’s doing a great job agitating at high levels to “fix the system”.
Returning to the above scenario, if the company that owns the financial planning company also owns a couple of finance companies that are finding it difficult to get enough money, it’s doesn’t take much imagination to recognise the temptation for them to divert investors’ money into those finance companies. And they don’t need your permission because they conned you into signing a power of attorney allowing them to do so.
They can then use your money to repay the money they lent to the finance company, declare profits, pay themselves a fat dividend, and be sitting pretty when it goes belly up. If they still had a bit of money invested, they can even say, “Poor me, I’ve lost money too!”
What about disclosure rules, I hear some ask? Easy… just get the spin doctors to write the necessary disclosure in such a way that investors are not alarmed, and get your silver-tongued sales reps (dressed up as financial planners) to either gloss over it or “massage” you into believing it is fantastically beneficial for you.
That’s why disclosure rules won’t fix anything. We need harsh penalties like Australia and most other countries in the Western world, not more disclosure.
Most investors used financial planning companies because they didn’t have the skills to analyse all the offerings and disclosures, and trusted the so-called experts.
It is wrong for Government to rely on caveat emptor – let the buyer beware. There absolutely should be rules and penalties in place to protect investors from legalised theft and unscrupulous dealers.
Let’s hope we join the rest of the civilised world in putting such protections in place.
Friday 25th June 2010 at 7:20 pm
Thanks Vern. That is the best and clearest explanation I have yet heard of this whole sorry mess. To sum it up, it was immoral, it was unethical, it was shonkey, but under our pathetic regulatory regime (or lack of it) it was not illegal. The sad part is, there is precious little redress available to folks who thought they were being prudent and responsible by seeking – and paying for – professional advice.
I believe the “tipping point” was when Northplan was acquired by the Australian raiders and it was all downhill from then on. Northplan, under its founding owners (who I won’t name as it would be unfair to taint them), served its clients well and openly for many years.
Friday 25th June 2010 at 8:55 pm
Thank you Vern. I have understood in principle what happened to my savings, but your explanation presents the clarity in detail that has been lacking for me. When I think of my “conservative” investments (now lost) I realise the extent of deliberate misleading information that was fed to myself, and all investors. Interestingly, the basis of the forced ANZ compensation to investors is a result of their misleading information to their investors…why are we left out in the cold?? I have no faith in our elected political masters. Platitudes will never stop cheats and liars, only consequences will do that.
My special thanks to the EUFA team, especially Suzanne and yourself, for representing my wish for recompense in a way that I find too daunting. Whatever the outcome, thank you all.
Friday 25th June 2010 at 10:06 pm
Alan perhaps a history lesson is required. Bridgecorp, Boston, Capital and Merchant, Cymbis, DMT, IMP, Propertyfinance, MFS, St Laurence, Clendon, Radius and Seniorcare were all in our portfolios long before MFS came on the scene to buy the company. I am not sure why you feel Messrs Syms and Purvis are not to be held accountable as they were in charge of the Investment Committee which put these shonky investments onto Northplans recommended list of companies. It has been widely acknowledged by Good Returns, NBR, Rob Stock and other informed people that the companies named above paid higher than average commissions and marketing expenses. That and Mr Syms desire to keep wanting to jump into bed and cosy up to people with highly dubious reputations like Petricovic, Tallantine, Hannon and King was extremely unhealthy and confirms that Mr Syms was either extremely ignorant or extremely greedy. As the self proclaimed “expert” perhaps Mr Syms might like to explain why he didn’t place any of our money into the finance companies that are still in business today or would that have meant him putting Northplans clients welfare first! I am sure Mr Syms is delighted that people like you are trying to deflect the blame away from him but the facts don’t lie, unlike [name deleted - Ed] it appears.
Saturday 26th June 2010 at 7:19 am
Thanx – For 3 years I have tried to understand this sorry saga, and I have had many explanations given to me – but after reading your concise answer to this incredibly huge question I now see how it happened. Devious wasn’t it…!!
Also thanx to VoV, EUFA, yourself and Suzanne particularly, for giving our thoughts, feelings and wishes a strong coherent voice.
Saturday 26th June 2010 at 11:07 am
Don, thanks for the “history lesson” but with respect I don’t need it! Perhaps I should have been more explicit. And I am mildly offended at your reference to “people like you”, as in no way would I defend Messrs Syms, Purvis, et al for their cavalier behaviour. If you read my comments as a defence of the latter years of Northplan then I am sorry. These people are indeed already tainted and justly so! Did I say they “were not to be held accountable”?
My”history” with Northplan is very long and I was in fact referring to the original proprietor, long departed. In its original form, Northplan served me and my wife well, openly and successfully through several cycles. But I still think things went from bad to disastrous under the Aussies – the insidious transfer of money into various MFS controlled or related parties was against all good principles and many of us expressed misgivings – and received reassurances – at the time.
Funnily enough, I don’t have the same problem with C & M, Bridgecorp, etc that you listed. You are perfectly right, they had been around for a long time and I am happy to acknowledge that higher than average interest rates were always going to mean higher than average risk.
I enjoy this forum and I believe it has always been conducted with courtesy and good humour. Can we keep it that way please?
Saturday 26th June 2010 at 5:02 pm
Alan, well said! It shows the danger of jumping to conclusions.
Your description of Northplan’s progression reminds me of the three stages of growth, maturity and decline. Or in Northplan/Vestar’s case, good, bad and ugly.
Monday 28th June 2010 at 11:59 am
I understand that the commision system is still up and running. And the financal adviser/sales sector is into it as much as they were.
Wednesday 30th June 2010 at 12:44 am
Glenn, you are mostly correct but not all financial advisory firms are still feeding at the commission trough, although regrettably there are many that still are.
One of the reasons I invited James Usmar to be a blog contributer is that his firm, Saturn Portfolio, does not accept commisions from investment providers. I’m sure there are a few other such ethical companies that prefer to align their interests with investors interests too.